The day of Apocalypse and how to avoid it...

Jackson Hinkle: Welcome back to Legitimate Targets, everybody. I hope you're all having a great day. This is episode number 25, and I am joined today by Skype call by a very, very important man, Konstantin Malofeev. He is the chairman of the Tsargrad Media Group. He is dedicated as a Russian patriot fighting for traditional values. and fighting for Russian sovereignty. He's been vilified by the U.S. government and pretty much all Western governments, but I don't consider him a villain. I consider him someone that I think we as Americans have a lot to learn from, learn about, and hopefully in the future, establish good relations with as we build a multipolar world based on traditional values. So without further ado, let's welcome our guest, Konstantin Malofeev. How are you doing today?

Konstantin Malofeev: Hello, Jackson!

You know, the first thing I want to ask you, there's a lot to talk about. President Putin just spoke at the Valdai summit. But first, I want to ask you something about how you've been vilified in the West. You know, you've been made out to be this Very scary man. They have sanctioned you back in 2014. So if you could just describe for all of the viewers across the world watching who may not know exactly what you actually stand for, what are you fighting for and what do you believe in? Why do you think they've come after you?

I believe in “Make Russia Great Again”, very similar to what Trump is trying to do in America.

I'm not sure that Russia and America are allies, and of course not now, but I believe that we are living in a multipolar world. And in this multipolar world, there is a space for Great Russia, and there is a space for Great America. There is a space for China, there is a space for India, there is a space for different people, who lives how they want, how their cultural and traditional ways of doing this, they’re following to what their ancestors taught them before. This is very important. So I do not believe that a thousand years old Russia, which is one of their biggest civilizations in the world and the greatest state ever been in human history, needs some lessons from globalist liberal elite when they teach us human rights, when they teach us liberalism, democracy, tolerance, LGBT rights, and all stuff like this. And my fight, as you mentioned, my fight and truth to stay a secular Russia dedicated to Jesus Christ. We were baptized some thousand years ago and everything what is Russian now, this is because of our Christian roots and because of God's blessing. I believe in that. I'm serving this and I served this before and I would serve this in the future.

J.H.: Why do you think it is that Western civilization, Western governments are all collapsing right now? And what do you think that maybe Americans or American politicians could learn from Russia and what you are all building here?

K.M.: Strong leadership. First, they have to learn from us. President Putin really loves Russia. We love him and he loves us. He loves Russia, he's dedicated to Russia, and everything he's doing, this is for Russia's prosperity and for Russia's future. Which is very different to the Western elite. Why do they hate Trump so much? Because Trump is different to what they're doing. Trump is an American nationalist, let me say. He's an American protectionist. He's an American lobbyist. He doesn't take care about globalism ideas, about what Klaus Schwab or different sources of this world want American people to pay for. And the same in European Union. These bureaucrats who sit in Brussels, they have nothing common with people in our Europe countries. They're thinking only about their own future, their own careers, their own money, what they are doing only for themselves or for any secret organization they belong to. I don't know: Masonry, whatever clubs they have, I do not care. I just understand that they do not serve their people and they were not elected. They were not elected. Look at President Macron, for example. He is now the leader of the state, and he is representing a minority. According to the last election, his party got less than one third. And look how fake this democracy is, that with this minority, he's still there in power. So the real lesson that Western people and Western leadership have to learn from Russia that if your leader really serves your country, then you have your 88.0% support and your country could develop even if it's sanctioned, even if you have the 10 years of different sanctions to Russia, even if you have this waves and waves of hate from global media. Still President Putin supported by his people and he supported not because of propaganda. I am an independent rich man. I haven’t got a single penny from the state. My media belongs to me privately. My business group is completely private. And I believe that President Putin is the best that we can get. We really respect him and we really serve to his policy, not only me.

They have to understand that we are doing this because we believe that he serves his country, really he serves to his country and not to any other crazy ideas, which is very different to Western alliance of Democrats in US or different group of liberals and masons in Europe.

J.H.: You know, I mentioned that President Putin spoke at the Valdai summit yesterday. He started his speech by referring to the 1917 revolution. He said that Russia is going through a similar period of transition. He talks about the fact that a new world order is taking shape right before our very eyes. How do you see this new world order taking shape given the context of President Trump's recent election victory? Do you think that this transition into a new world is going to face some stagnation under a Trump presidency in the United States?

K.M.: Probably yes, probably not. That depends. If Elon Musk would be responsible for economy as it was announced, I believe that America can skip this recession period and stagnation period, because Musk is a businessman and he understands how to do this. When you have in your government a lot of businessmen, I mean high position businessmen, the owners of the business, the visionaries, then you definitely can survive. In the case, if you have in your government only lobbyists or people who want to make money, or, for example, selling weapon to Ukraine, or, for example, if they want to make their business with Samuel Bankman-Fried and to give them money for donation to their party, if you have the government like this, then, of course, you do not care about real economy, about your state debt, about what's going on with your Big Mac index because you do not care. In four years and five years time, according to “revolving door” rules, you would be out from your office in Washington, D.C. and you join some nice investment bank in New York. That's how it works for these people, who Trump last term called a “swamp”. And if we would have this leadership, economical leadership in America, I believe that we can go further to this new world order that was announced by President-

J.H.: You said, before you, disconnected: “I believe we can go further into this new world order.”

K.M.: We can go further to this new future, to this new world order, without big losses in economy. Why? Because multipolar world means the world when people, you know, work for prosperity. And it means that they can trade. And they can live with their business activity and with their economical life, not because of some crazy theories. Like for example, this “green agenda”, this ecological agenda, which is completely false, which is fake. It doesn't exist. Because if you look at what we are losing in our environment, according to nature, I mean natural, not because of human behavior or because of human activity, because of natural CO2 pollution. You can see that this is times bigger than because of human activity or because of our business or because of our planes. So this all green stuff was invented specially, specifically, or for example, COVID, for Big Pharma to make their money for the social engineering. This is always, you know, some artificial construct to do something, not because this is really economically proven. When we would stop this globalist from inventing different new games for humankind, You know, we can follow the real economical terms and real economical terms is very easy: you're producing something, you're buying where it's cheap and you're selling when it's high. You know, you want your new jobs in your own country. Yes, of course, because if you have this opportunity, you want these jobs in your own country. With other countries you want to trade, you do not want to fight with this country, especially when I am talking about such a big countries as Russia and the US. And, for example, China, which is a big manufacturer, the biggest manufacturer in the world, so we can build up a new world which is based on real, our economical interest, national interest, religious interest, which could be pragmatic. But it is nothing about sect. When your economical position depends about how many sodomites are in this or that country. Can you imagine? You're not selling your sodas or you're not selling your gasoline because the rights of sodomites are not protected in this country. Is it serious? Is it economy?

This is business approach? Of course not. This is a sect, a sort of anti-Christian religious sect.

And of course the economy is suffering from them. In Western agenda, in U.S. agenda, this sect will be somehow minimized-

J.H.: “Somehow minimized”, I think you said.

K.M.: Ok. If this sect will be minimized or better demolished, then economy will be champion because of this. Worldwide economy.

J.H.: You know, I want to jump to something you brought up about President Trump and that maybe he will actually seek to engage in good relations for the good of business with Russia. He is rumored to have you know, put together some notion of a peace plan for the NATO proxy war against Russia, which would include, allegedly, this is according to the Wall Street Journal, Ukraine giving up its NATO membership aspirations only for 20 years, the establishment of a demilitarized zone on the current front line, and the continuation of U.S. military aid to Ukraine. Do you think this is a negotiation tactic, give something Russia that they will never accept in a thousand years and hope that they can reach some common point in the middle? Or do you think that this is actually a make or break deal for Donald Trump, if he in fact is the one who put this together, and something that they will stick to in negotiations with the Russian Federation?

K.M.: I think this is a “leak”. You know, to play a nice liberal game. For example: “That was the point and Trump didn't succeed to go to this point.” Even though Trump never announced that this is his point. So the same would be for Russians: “Okay, if you even start with Trump to talk, this is because you're real losers and you really agree on that.” So this leakage is done to crash any negotiations in the future. I think that President Putin is a champion, a gross master of international politics. He's much more smart than a Wall Street Journal columnist. And of course, he understands why it was done and what it was done for. And I think that if and when these negotiations would happen between Trump and Putin or between U.S. and Russia, it would be based on pragmatic reality. And what is Russia ready for? I can tell you, because we made a social poll in Tsargrad. I know very well where we are. This is like 15, okay, let me start with, let me say, “peace lovers.” So this is like 6% of people, you know, who are ready for the peace immediately, for anything, just to stop the war. Like 40%, 40% for the peace, including, you know, when Russia got all this Zaporozhye and Kherson region, which is according to Russian constitution now belongs to Russia. Even the front line, Eastern, you know, like hundred kilometers to the east of Zaporozhye is not ours yet. So, this is like 40% would be, would agree on that, that this peace is fair. And of course, denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, that goes without saying. You know, nobody would agree with Zelensky and this, you know, new Nazis in Kiev. That has to be the change of regime and the people who is, who has no blood on their hands has to sign this peace treaty. Now 40%, we are now speaking about 50%: this is 6% and 40%. So another 40% believes that a fair peace treaty, because of what happened and because of how many victims and how many were paid for this victory. That includes Kiev, Odessa, Nikolaev, so everything that we call “Novorossiya”, which never belonged to any Ukrainians in whole its history before Bolsheviks, who granted part of this country, half of this country to Ukraine. And 15% believe that any peace could happen when Ukraine would disappear from the political map. So this is reality. And this social polls, which were done by Tsargrad, this is very equal that were done by administration of president and published recently. So it means that you can keep this into consideration, these figures. So not any peace treaty based on a ceasefire right now will not happen. You know, there is not any support in the population for this. So any further movement when Donetsk People's Republic, when Zaporozhye and Kherson brought back, this is something acceptable for less than half a population. This, what is people ready for? So they have to understand. And it is not the game.

You know, we already in the war, we almost three years in the war, and we know we are Russians. We know how to win. And we know that if this war would not be stopped artificially, we definitely go to the Western border of Ukraine.

And everybody knows this. And European knows and Americans knows. So it means that any peace, has to give Russians more than they have now. This is the only ground for real peace to happen.

J.H.: I agree. I think all the bargaining chips are in the hands of the Russian Federation at this point and the brave soldiers who've sacrificed so many of their lives and put their lives on the line to liberate the territories that have already been liberated. But Donald Trump is rumored to be floating names like Mike Pompeo, Marco Rubio, Rick Grenell, who may be the best option of the three for positions like Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense. In your eyes, is Russia prepared to continue the operation and continue liberating territories if the Trump administration in some way, shape or form refuses to engage in fair and honest deals, or do you think that Russia would be inclined tomaybe make a deal with the devil and say “let's cut our losses and let's settle for peace”?

K.M.: I do not believe, I do not believe in this. I believe that we definitely, you know, continue what we're doing because we have our own goals. This is our part. That's very important to understand. This is our part. For Russians, Ukraine does not exist as a separate Ukrainian state. They believe that it is part of Russian people. So we are liberating our Russian people, our brothers, from occupation, Western-supported regime of corrupted clowns and oligarchs, that what we believe. So these satanic rituals, neo-Nazi rituals that we can now see you and watch by TV in Kiev and in the Western Ukraine, this is something that we have to liberate our brothers. They prohibited the Orthodox Church in Ukraine. This is our heart. Our church started in Kiev thousand years ago. We will never stop before we liberate Kiev. They have to understand this. So there is nothing about, you know, who is sitting in the office of State Department. Maybe from U.S. it looks like, you know, this is the governor of the world appointed. This is not a case more, you know, we don't care, you know, who is in this office. We'll continue our holy war before we understand that our goals, Russian goals, are met. And if the Trump administration, I mean, International Affairs Administration, State Department, CIA, all these advisors, if they would be still the corrupted lobbyists of Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, how to sell more and get all their bonuses and back payments from this our delivery to Ukraine, when, do not forget, 80% of money, you know, never crossed the border of US. They stay somewhere there in Washington, DC, in this corporation. So this is a big corruption scheme. So if this corrupted structure would overthrow Trump endeavors to make a peace, to be peacemakers, so this is a big pity. But this is not the end of the life. We will continue our war with this administration or others.

But there is a chance if Trump would overthrow these corrupt lobbyists of the bloody business, we can make peace.

J.H.: You know, Konstantin, you are a devout Christian. You're a Christian cultural leader in Russia. Why do you think so many of these liberals in the West, people who call themselves leftists, although I'd argue they're in no way, shape, or form orthodox left, but they call themselves leftists, they call themselves liberals, many of the LGBT community, why are they supporting this Nazi force in Ukraine. Yesterday, President Putin at Valdai talked about how the West neoliberalism breeds totalitarian regimes. Why would the liberals be supporting Nazis? It seems like ideologically a heterodox, what's the word I'm thinking of, a heterodox sort of move from Western liberals.

K.M.: Back to the 30s, 100 years ago, the same almost happened. Wall Street financed and invested in Hitler's Germany. They built up, rebuilt their plans for tank makers. Ford did this, for example. Volkswagen is built by Americans. So that was done already because, first of all: this is the business, and this is a big business with Ukraine now. We have to understand this is a big business. And this is not only about the farming land bought by BlackRock, all of this. No, more important, this so-called military aid to Ukraine. As I said, 80% of this stays in America. Can you imagine? So if Biden signs a check for 7 billion or 10 billion, 8 billion of this goes to different pockets of lobbyists and different shareholders and managers in the U.S. military complex. How do you think they would feel if this extraordinary, marvelous business would stop? Of course they want to continue. And these liberals, they're fed by whom? They're getting their grants and the salaries from where? From these people who are now making money. I'm pretty sure that Ukraine and Zelensky as a showman knows the rules. He always were paid by these people. So now when he can sign a check, he knows to sign the check to whom. So this is the first. Look at the money, find where is the money and look at the business interests. And second, they hate Russia because Russia is a stronghold and citadel of orthodoxy now in the world. I remember one day when I represented in Sydney, or no, in Melbourne, back in the year 14, when I could move still, you know, before Western sanctions, before Crimea. I've been at a World Congress of Families in Melbourne, probably, if I'm not wrong. And I remember that I told them: “Listen, back to 50 years ago in Reagan time, Christians of America helped us. I was pretty young those days, but helped Russian Christians to overthrow this atheistic communist regime, you know, to become, to be free again.” So now this is our turn, of Orthodox, Christian Russian, to help American Christians, to overthrow this atheistic, satanic, liberal, totalitarian regime. So these people hate Russia because Russia is Christian now. Russia, if Russia would be communist, they would like Russia.

They hate Russia because this is orthodox Christian Russia now. This is the point.

This is why they are ready to help neo-Nazi, to whom whatever, just to fight against this Russia. Even in Europe, this is funny by the way, in Europe, normally biggest Russian supporters now, this is conservative Christians, who in their young age, were at the demonstration against Soviet Union, they burned up red flags. And these people now, the biggest supporter of Putin, of Russia, openly, they can say this on TV, because they never changed their position. They were Christian before and they're Christian now. It’s Russia that changed: that Russia under communist regime, and this is Russia under orthodox church now. And so my answer to your question, why they dislike Russia so much. First, this is business. Just make a small investigation about where they're getting money, these people. Who is paying them? What kind of NGO pays them? And second, because they hate Russia, because Russia is conservative, Christian, and citadel for traditional values for all people of goodwill from the world.

J.H.: America doesn't like the communists too much anymore in China either or Cuba. So I think anyone who's trying to pursue the traditional values, de-dollarization and sovereignty is an enemy. And Russia is hated the most because you're also Christian and you're extremely traditional. You were sanctioned back in 2014. My question to you is do you think that the United States might consider removing sanctions going all the way back to 2014? Donald Trump has said he wants to drop sanctions on Russia. We have yet to see whether or not that will materialize, but many are guessing that these sanctions he's referring to are post-February 24, 2022 sanctions. Have you had any sort of contact with anyone in the Western world who maybe is saying, gosh, I hope we can do business with Russia once more, I hope that we can have fair and open trade, win-win cooperation, or has it been pretty silent?

K.M.: I was an investment banker before year 14, so definitely have a lot of links in Wall Street and the city. That was my professional job. I even had a job that in year 14, I was the only investment banker in the world sanctioned. But, you understand, this is already 10 years, and in these 10 years I had no such business contacts with the Western world, normally. But I would say that I do not believe that the sanctions would be lifted so easily in one year, or two years, or even five years. I believe that this is a big war for multi-polar world. And sanctions could be only lifted if American government, I mean, not, you know, several people that Trump would bring with him, but American government total, you know, these people who vote for Democrats in Washington, D.C., like 92% in comparison to 6% to Republicans. So when these people, would understand that they live in a multi-polar, not globalist, one-polar world. That sanction just couldn't work because I'm a Russian citizen, for example, you know, how I link to Americans sanctioned, legally? How they could sanction me? For example, we brought and won lawsuit against Google in Russia, you know, Google for one billion rubles. And now, of course, we're chasing them all around the world to get more than three hundred dollars. You know, they couldn't believe because “how? We're an American corporation. How you could lawsuit us in this Russia? What kind of Zimbabwe is this?”

You know, so they're racist. And, you know, this snobbish position. This what really, that's the real problem why American establishment, American government cannot go in this shape to the future. Because future belong to multipolar world.

When you understand that you are not going to China to teach them human rights. Because this is an ancient civilization with their own rules about human society. And you are not going to India and teach them that Hinduism, this is something belonging to the very old ancient time. And you are not going to a thousand years old, Great Russia, to the biggest empire that ever been built in the human history, with a huge, deep, and very rich history, and teach them about everything, about democracy, human rights, Navalny, some other shit. You know, how? You know, just stop this. And we are not going to teach Americans what to build on their American territory, because they're already there. What we want, we want to help our conservative brothers in America, our Christian brothers in America, to throw out this dictatorship from this liberal globalist alliance. That's really what I want. But if tomorrow, you know, we would have a dispute or we have a pragmatic negotiations or even conflict with US, it could happen. But it has to be based on the respect that this is one big country superpower and another big country superpower. So let's make business or let's discuss what we have to dispute or even let's have conflict. But please let us respect each other. And they do not respect anybody in the world. This liberal globalist alliance, last 30 years, after the crash of Soviet Union, they do not respect anybody because they believe that they conquered not only all the world, using US army and US intelligence as their police, but they even conquered American people as well. So now they conquered all the world. So that's what they think, but we rebelled. Putin rebelled and won. So now his Munich speech, back to year seven, when he said that this world would not survive, the world of one master, that would never survive in human history. He was right, but they did not believe him, and they believed that they had just changed Putin to Medvedev, so everything done. No. Putin returned. So Putin is still in the office. And where in the office are these people who wanted to demolish Putin? Where is Condoleezza Rice? Where is Obama? Where are all these people now? So this is the point. And I believe that in this multi-polar world, we can cooperate with the US. As we cooperated, for example, in the 19th century. In the 19th century, we helped a lot to the US to survive as a new state. But we have to start respecting each other.

J.H.: Well, not just in the 19th century. I mean, I was talking to someone yesterday. You look at the American Revolution, Catherine the Great, and many Americans don't know the history, but Russia was not our enemy in the American Revolution. They think that Britain is our friend today, and that we should bend the knee to them, when in fact it was Russia, it was France who supported the American Revolution. That's another story. Look, Konstantin, I have one more question for you. I know you're a very busy man. You wrote an article on August 7th of this year discussing the need for nuclear deterrence in the Russian Federation. Essentially saying, you know, Russia does have a lot of nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons, and if the West continues to threaten the existence of Russian civilization, then we have to be willing to utilize these assets to defend ourselves.

Do you believe that if Russia were to do something like that, of course, they would never do it in a manner that was unprovoked, according to the Russian nuclear doctrine? 

But do you believe that the satanic demons in the West, the anti-human demons in the West would refrain from launching an all out bloody, you know, Nazi style war against every single last Russian citizen if Russia were to stand up for itself in a manner like this?

K.M.: Yes, I believe this is what weapons are for. When you have a weapon, you are ready to use it. That has to be the ground, that has to be the reason, that has to be the correct time for this, but of course you have to be ready to use it. And the Caribbean crisis, back to 50 or whatever, 60 years ago, that it shows that it works when two nuclear powers, you know, superpowers, understand that they have red borders, red lines. If you move further, that means the end of the world. That means the ultimate fight and the end of our days. So when leaders of this country countries understand this, you know, they can make a good treaty. They can make a strong peace, as it was even during the Cold War for 20 years. The problem of Biden's administration were not only the Biden's dementia, but the problem was of Biden's personal hatred, hate for Putin. Which were based, I do not know exactly, but probably it was based because he was in charge by President Obama to avoid Putin to come back in year 12 after Medvedev. I know that Biden was responsible for it, and Biden were very pissed off that he didn't fulfill his mission because he had to convince Medvedev to stay and Putin do not, come back, but it happened. After that Biden personally feels responsible for Ukraine. And we know how much money he and his son made on Ukraine. And we know all these disgusting stories about, you know, the general prosecutor of Ukraine, when Biden demanded to fire him because the general prosecutor was so brave trying to make a criminal suit against his son. So for Biden, Ukraine is very personal. This is why all of us believe that we're just in one step before the nuclear war. Because, you know, if Biden, you know, would continue to push, one day it could happen. Now, this new administration and this Trump's track record, let me say from his last term in administration, we know that he stopped several wars, but he didn't start one. So I believe that he really wants to stop the war. So I believe with Trump, we might step back. We may step back from this nuclear threat from this day of Apocalypse. And this is why what we're talking now, you know, became to be, you know, less dangerous that were before this election. But it's still better than two months in the office. So let's do not underestimate this. Russia definitely would first answer. Second, if even with conventional weapons, the threat for Russian population would exceed the current situation and the victims, you know, quantitative victims would raise up dramatically, I wouldn't exclude the tactical weapon to be used. Back to Cold War, in doctrine of NATO, tactical weapon could be used. That was exactly in their documents. You know why? Because they had no any idea to have a conventional war with huge Soviet army. They understood that if this war started, in 45 or 44, 72 hours, Russian tanks from Eastern Germany would go to Lisbon or Madrid. You know, there is no front line for this war. So that's why they put in their documents this possibility to use the tactical nuclear weapon against Soviet troops. Now we changed our roles, because the Soviet Union was bigger than, let me say, all armies of the Treaty bloc: with Poland, with Eastern Germany, with Romania, with Hungary, were bigger than NATO army. And that's why the weakest thought about to use the new tactical nuclear weapon, because with conventional weapon the victory was very far. So now we're in a different position. Russia is a big country, but by population we are smaller than the European Union, much smaller than all NATO countries all together. So we are weaker now because of this. And that's why that would be more than fair to use this Cold War tactic of our opponents. So now we have to have this instrument in our arsenal. So in the case, if NATO would continue this aggression against Russian population, using Ukrainian forces on the ground, using special forces from Poland, France, England. According to my data, for example, this is already up to 50,000 Polish injured somehow. So this is not only special forces already, so NATO is already on the ground. So if they would continue, why we wouldn't use the tactical weapon for Western Ukraine? So it would cut any relations between Europe and Ukraine. So it would not be more armor supply, no human supply. There is no more trades. This is it. And we have this in our arsenal. And I would not believe for one second that the US would answer with a nuclear strike on Moscow because of this. Of course not. Because that would be the nuclear strike to New York or Washington. So this is why I wrote this. And this is why I believe that it could happen. I believe that with this administration, probably we made a step back from the threat of this nuclear war, and probably it would not happen in the coming years.

J.H.: It's a provocative statement to some, especially those in DC, but I 100% agree with you. If you're not willing to sacrifice everything for the honor, dignity, and sovereignty of your people, then you have no honor, dignity, or sovereignty at all. Konstantin Malofeev, thank you so much for joining me. It's a pleasure speaking with you. And hopefully we can speak again one day, maybe when there's a peace deal between our two countries and everything has been liberated for those in the Novorossiya or Donbass region. We'll have to wait and see. But thank you for talking with me today.

Gladly so. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. Thank you so much.

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